Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-awarded music artists

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 20:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of most-awarded music artists[edit]

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I was waiting for the work in progress tag to be removed. Now that it has, the first problem that I noticed is that there aren’t any references for the lead, hence the reason as to why this fails WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH. None of the rhetoric in the lead is cited with a single source. Secondly, this article also violates Wikipedia:NOT#STATS. There is no encyclopedic value for this data. Merely existing does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Finally, this is already covered in the articles for individual artist list of awards. The existence of this page is misleading and serves no purpose. TruthGuardians (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete or move to "multi-grammy award winning artists" I don't believe references are needed in a lead, but yes obviously the rest of what the nominator said is true. WP would be better served with an article similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actors_with_two_or_more_Academy_Awards_in_acting_categories as there is some degree of arbitrariness to what awards contribute to this total. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 21:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Doesn't meet the right criteria based on WP:SYNTH to justify an article of its own, should be merged into the article mentioned above as opposed to being deleted. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 22:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete "The exact number of all awards received by an artist is difficult to verify because there is no organization regularly tracking the data." Your article is bad when your lede serves quite perfectly as its own deletion rationale. Nate • (chatter) 23:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not feasible to maintain when most (or all) of the claims are hard to confirm in the first place. This at best is a collection of WP:SYNTH and doesn't warrant an article. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just another WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. The lists lead itself clearly indicates that. The exact number of all awards received by an artist is difficult to verify because there is no organization regularly tracking the data. Most media only report the most-awarded artists at individual award show, and a complete list of the most-awarded music artists remains unavailable. Nevertheless, the following list features music artists having won 10 times or more at five different award shows, thus giving an illustration of the “most-awarded music artists in history The articles of individual awards shows like Grammy, American Music Awards clearly mentioned who bagged most of their awards.— TheWikiholic (talk) 04:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The list is arbitrary, not well-sourced castorbailey (talk) 05:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This list deserves a 10 for effort and creativity and a 0 for compliance with policies and guidelines. gidonb (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I think those above me have said most of what I'd want to. My biggest concern is probaably the arbitrary threshold of awards to include in said list. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and delete With celebrity culture of all-about them, as far I remember, a handful of publications have elaborated lists regarding "most awarded" artists, or at least some have reported a "total" of award and nominations received by a specific artist. However, it feels like circular reporting. Bluesatellite gave a picture, but I also felt is not necessary. Aside that doesn't exist any tracking body, the concept of "award" is hard to determine: some people could mix solo/group careers of certain artists to present a "total", or imagine those awards gave to artist's team instead them, "certified awards" (VEVO, Guinness World Records), even listicles... and so on. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 01:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a new article that can be improved with more sources. Articles such as "Taylor Swift makes history as most awarded artist of all time" in Entertainment Weekly show that the media are keeping track of this topic. The book series Guinness World Records has kept track of this issue, listing Whitney Houston for many years as the most awarded female musical artist. I think it would be appropriate to WP:TROUT the nomination as this appears to be a content dispute about Michael Jackson with discussion based at Talk:Michael_Jackson#“Most_awarded_musician_in_history”. The fact that Michael Jackson doesn't appear at the top of this page is irksome to MJ's fanbase, and instead of expanding the article to include more of MJ, they are trying to delete it. Binksternet (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above Entertainment Weekly show link that you provided was about Taylor Swift overtaking Michael Jackson as the most-winning American music awards artist. And it's already covered on the page of the American Music Awards. And Whintey Houston being the most-awarded female musical artist is yet to be verified and hence it has been removed from her pages as well. Reading the above talk page discussion gives the impression that the creator of this list has created it only to prove his arguments. TheWikiholic (talk) 11:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article aims to cover the most accolades won by any musician ever across all ceremonies combined, and TheWikiholic is correct that Binksternet's link is only about the American Music Awards. It therefore shouldn't be treated as saying Taylor is the most cumulatively awarded for anywhere else. To give another example, Beyoncé setting a separate record for most Grammys received doesn't make her the most worldwide awarded artist either when factoring in all award ceremonies, just from that organization. Unless somebody can provide a ref establishing how an artist got more wins across every award ceremony there is along with some runner-ups (which I doubt exists), the list here isn't sustainable. I either way would like to make it clear that my vote isn't based on trying to designate anybody in particular as the most awarded musician. Guinness unfortunately could be outdated for Whitney. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:33, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if Guinness World Records is necessarily a reliable source. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It most certainly is reliable, but its statistics often become obsolete with new records being made for things. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sticking with my Keep vote because of various indications of media interest in who is the most-awarded across multiple awards. For instance, The Hollywood Reporter made a list in January 2018 of the top 25 musical artists based on Grammy awards, digital streaming, and retail sales figures. They talk about how Bruno Mars won multiple Grammys and AMAs to get listed at number 5. Other media observers relayed similar lists to their readers, including this 2018 list from Jacaranda FM which names Michael Jackson as the top. Another list came from this K-pop fan magazine talking about how a Korean group is listed alongside more famous Western acts. Loretta Lynn is named the most-awarded female country music artist by this piece in Billboard. The media are interested in this topic. Binksternet (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pile-on delete The most ridiculous thing about this is that the various artists and their awards cannot be directly compared to each other. Three of these artists have many Latin music awards, but the rest don't sing Latin music, so so what? Some have country, pop, or international awards that not everyone is competing in so there's no legitimate comparison to be made. Celine Dion apparently has 11 Best of Las Vegas Awards, but the linked article doesn't even mention these. Junk list altogether, and if the media above aren't using direct comparisons of awards everyone competed for (like within a single genre), they're junk too. Reywas92^Talk 19:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That newspaper award should just be discounted entirely; those are always encouraged by the newspapers and businesses to have ballot stuffing. It's just a plaque hanging somewhere in the lobby, nothing Celine likely has ever touched herself. Nate • (chatter) 15:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per many of the reasons stated above. Alessiorom13 (talk) 22:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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